Comments on iBlogO: Progress

I am neither ungrateful nor complaining about anyt...

2004-12-09T16:23:00.000-08:00

I am neither ungrateful nor complaining about anything and you'll find nothing of the sort in my comments above.No, but you see, that's exactly what you are doing. You are complaining to me about Joe Land, challenging me about what I know about the man as if you know some dark and sinister secret. Well, by all means fill us in, but until you do (and you can perpetually prance around the issue and call it whatever you want) you are doing nothing short of sly complaining-directly or not.

If only things were as black and white as "if you benefitted, you benefitted and there's nothing more to say." If that was the case then AllianceNet Solutions wouldn't even exist. Joe benefitted from ProNet but still left to form ANS.Or maybe he had a shift in vision? Maybe he decided to go in a different direction. By YOUR logic, everyone who benefitted from school would become a professor. You're a moron.

Your logic doesn't hold true when you simply look at your own leaders.My logic makes perfect sense. You simply came in here with an axe to grind and your blade shattered. Enjoy your whatever it is you have. I'm happy where I'm at.

Your response is completely expected and understan...

2004-12-09T15:36:00.000-08:00

Your response is completely expected and understandable, like I said before, we've all been there. I am neither ungrateful nor complaining about anything and you'll find nothing of the sort in my comments above.

If only things were as black and white as "if you benefitted, you benefitted and there's nothing more to say." If that was the case then AllianceNet Solutions wouldn't even exist. Joe benefitted from ProNet but still left to form ANS. Your logic doesn't hold true when you simply look at your own leaders.

Sounds to me like you've got yourself involved in ...

2004-12-08T11:47:00.000-08:00

Sounds to me like you've got yourself involved in a pretty uptight bunch of ungratefuls. If you benefitted, you benefitted. And if the ANS tool system is some sort of hybrid ProNet system, then I see no problem with the ProNet system, nor why you bring it up.

My take is, quit complaining. Again, if you benefitted, you benefitted and there's nothing more to say.

At the moment, I'm persuing my acting carreer and this project hasn't slowed me down in that one iota. So I don't know what to tell you.

I caution you against beleiving that new faces & n...

2004-12-08T10:04:00.000-08:00

I caution you against beleiving that new faces & new pins = working. There will always be new faces, otherwise the tools systems would not have lasted this long. What's more important is to recognize which "old faces" are no longer around. The January convention should be very interesting if you pay attention to who is not there.

ProNet is the Quixtar tools system that the Land's, Pici's, and Armour's were part of before they started AllianceNet. Based on your previous writings my guess is that your response will that you don't care about history, but this would be a mistake. Every piece of information you receive through AllianceNet is, in one way or another, influenced by the teachings of the ProNet system.

There is a large group of former Land IBO's who have been exactly where you are now. None of us will deny that we benefitted from the teachings of Joe Land and the system. But there is always more to the story, and this is where the problem lies. Unfortunately, even by the time you are no longer active in Quixtar, you may never be aware of the full story. I simply hope that by that time you haven't wasted too much time, money and, even more important, goals.

I joined only during Quixtar and have never heard ...

2004-12-07T16:07:00.000-08:00

I joined only during Quixtar and have never heard of ProNet.

Every time I go to a convention, I see a new face. I see a new pin. So I know it's working.

Debating the definition of edify is a waste of of ...

2004-12-07T09:50:00.000-08:00

Debating the definition of edify is a waste of of our time. But you're lucky if you've not heard it much because many Quixtar diamonds are very prone to using the word edify, whatever the definition. Were you an IBO during Joe's ProNet days?

The same goes for the success of those consuming vs. implementing the system. We are both aware of the actual success rate of IBO's, with or without a system. I agree with you 100% only people who actually do something will see results.

Do you think the knowledge being taught by the Alliance Net leaders is being applied by the group?

Would we expect to see more pins being awarded to Alliance Net IBO's than those trained by a non-Alliance Net system?

Well what system are you talking about? I've only...

2004-12-07T07:50:00.000-08:00

Well what system are you talking about?

I've only seen the word "edify" twice in my life. Once in one of my mother's sermons about edifying God and the other time was in a particular chapter of Marks where the protagonist challenges a pin on the meaning of the word. Interestingly enough, the protagonist was wrong about the translation which leads me to believe the author had no idea what she was talking about but that's another story for another time.

I will say this about the system, the system or any system for that matter is only as good as its executioner. No, not the person who kills it. The person who sets it into action. So even if the literature of the system was so concisely written that a child could understand it, it would still take a good leader to set it into motion, and a greater leader to apply it to a larger body of people.

Please don't take my questions as being antagonist...

2004-12-07T05:47:00.000-08:00

Please don't take my questions as being antagonistic because they're not, I just thought the use of italics was interesting.

Above you said "He's able to orchestrate large bodies of people, organizations if you will, into one solid task." Since the system teaches you to edify and follow all pins above you, is this "orchestration of people" truly a funtion of Joe Land's leadership or the system?

Because I figured that I'd keep this topic to what...

2004-12-06T21:41:00.000-08:00

Because I figured that I'd keep this topic to what you brought up, leadership. I didn't want to drag the conversation to anything more because I could give a damn if any one of you agree with his politics/ethics/beliefs.

It is irrelevant whether or not he is fantastic in any other venues and so I tried to stay focused.

Why put leader in italics? The implication is tha...

2004-12-06T16:43:00.000-08:00

Why put leader in italics? The implication is that he is not "fantastic" in other areas.

As a leader, he certainly has the charisma to get ...

2004-12-06T10:22:00.000-08:00

As a leader, he certainly has the charisma to get whatever he wants done, done. I mean as a leader, that's important.

He does get what he wants done, done. He doesn't let a lot of things stop him. So he has the willpower to back up the charisma.

He has the knowledge, too. He's able to orchestrate large bodies of people, organizations if you will, into one solid task. That is the critical management skills in him.

I'm not trying to flatter him, I'm just pointing out the facts that would drive the point home that agreeable or not, he is a fantastic leader.

iblogo, what is your opionion of Joe Land as a lea...

2004-12-03T14:08:00.000-08:00

iblogo, what is your opionion of Joe Land as a leader?

You guys are both hozers :P Here's what I have to...

2004-11-22T14:19:00.000-08:00

You guys are both hozers :P

Here's what I have to say to you:

I wouldn't doubt there's profit being made. But everything worthwhile, I believe, should turn a profit for those that made them available.

I don't care if Land is making money. I think he should be making a killing. So long as I'm getting exactly what I pay for and expect.

For the monthly fee, we get access to the website, which having paid for it in the past I know that it is a plethora of information. It's a tool in itself as it allows me to follow up on everything going on in AlianceNet. From who's talking to where and when. Changes in the system and online seminars.

With ANS's website, one can show the plan over the internet with live events and recorded events. On top of that, now all of the recorded conventions that would have been sent on CD will be online in MP3 format. Frankly, I find that to be awesome.

Hey Ty, I have some of the same questions as you p...

2004-11-21T11:35:00.000-08:00

Hey Ty, I have some of the same questions as you probably. I made a post about the letter over on my blogging section of my site at:
http://www.whataboutquixtar.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1073

iBlogO, good post, don't forget to call me a hozer. (grin)

Can you explain what you get for $58/month? Land a...

2004-11-21T09:22:00.000-08:00

Can you explain what you get for $58/month? Land also mentioned that they eliminated the "pay out". Does Land want us to believe that there is no profit in the $58/month fee?

Sounds like a step in the right direction to me

2004-11-20T21:08:00.000-08:00

Sounds like a step in the right direction to me